And why is it profitable for universities to make incomprehensible lists
Technical Secretary of the VSU Admissions Committee in 2018
What the Ministry of Education requires
One of the main reasons why the ratings are so incomprehensible is the lack of clear requirements from the Government. The main document for university admissions committees is order Ministry of Education. Little and vaguely said about the rating of applicants.
Everything is spelled out in Chapter V of the document. We explain in simple terms What is required from the university:
- The representative of the university should tell about the rating structure.
- The university is obliged to publish the results of the competition on a predetermined date. In 2018, the results of the first wave will be on August 3, the second - on August 8.
- The rating must be published on the official website of the university in the public domain.
- The rating must indicate which quotas the applicant is applying for. He may have benefits (be a target, an Olympiad winner, an orphan, a person with a disability, a contract serviceman) or qualify in a general competition for a budget or paid place.
- The rating must be updated daily.
- The university must indicate whether you are doing with your points. Here is the wording from the order, it is important:“In the lists of persons who submitted documents, for each applicant (with the exception of persons entering without entrance examinations) information is indicated on whether he enters training on the basis of USE results and (or) based on the results of entrance examinations conducted by the organization independently (paragraph 51)”.
The university should not require the original certificate from the applicant. Each university decides on its own whether to separate applicants with copies and originals of documents into different ratings.
What's in reality
The main drawback. The rating of applicants takes into account all applicants: both with the original certificate and with a copy. According to the rules, an applicant can take copies of documents to 5 universities for 3 specialties in each - a maximum of 15 faculties. As a result, the rating is "inflated" from copies and does not give a real picture.
recommended lists.If you do not bring the original to the university for some specialty, then you will not be able to be enrolled. If the university does not good rating, which answers the question of whether you enroll or not, it will produce "recommended for enrollment" lists. This paper does not guarantee you anything.
In order to attract more applicants with originals, the university lists more people than real places in the faculty. Such paper is issued 1-2 times for the entire admission campaign, although it should be updated daily.
The best option.It is most convenient if the site has a separate list of applicants with originals or sorting by type of submitted documents. If such a rating is updated once a day, then you will be able to know whether you are doing it or not.
If you have not yet brought the original to the university, then count the people with the originals and compare with the number of state-funded places in the faculty. So the chance of admission will be clear.
Applicant Petrov brought documents for 3 specialties and indicated them in order of priority: physics, astronomy, mechanical engineering. Together with the application, he leaves the original certificate. He doesn't have enough credits to enroll in physics. Above Petrov in the ranking are people with higher scores, but with copies of the certificate. Technically, he is defined according to his second priority, astronomy. In reality: if Petrov does not change anything, and people with copies do not bring the original, he will go to physics.
The rating in this case does not reflect the real picture. Petrov will be in the ranking of his second priority, but will enter the first. This is because the rating takes into account both applicants with copies of the certificate, and with the originals.
Why is it so difficult?After all, universities should try to make the site as convenient as possible for applicants. Yes and no.
Why not: because of the demographic gap, many universities do not get students. And those who recruit want to teach the smartest guys. Opaque ratings allow faculties to manipulate applicants and force them to keep the originals. Remember, the words of the people from the selection committee are not a guarantee of admission.
Sometimes bad lists are the fault of developers who do their job poorly.
Why yes: it is physically impossible to communicate endlessly with all applicants and parents. The university posts a rating, thinks it is good. But in the end, due to a misunderstanding, the applicant takes the documents and takes them to a weak university, where he will definitely enter.
Each university chooses its own methods of struggle for applicants. Someone is campaigning for strong teachers, good reputation and employment of graduates. Someone is manipulating ratings. There are those who use both tactics.
What else can you encounter.Each university has its own information systems, and therefore the ratings will differ. It happens that the university does not bother at all and uploads a Word file. It's even harder to figure this out.
What to do
- Understand.Most likely, you will need more than one hour to understand how the site works. Be strong and call the admissions office of the university. Feel free to ask questions if you don't understand something.
- Look for listings with originals.Such a list is the most transparent and makes it clear exactly whether you are doing it or not. Only an applicant who brought the original can be enrolled in the university. If the university website has such a list, check it daily. The situation can change very quickly.
- Don't forget the waves.Not everyone is enrolled at once. First, an order will be issued on the enrollment of applicants with benefits. Then they will fill 80% of budget places through a general competition. This is called the first wave. After it, for another 3 days, you can carry the original certificate to the university. Then the remaining 20% of applicants are enrolled in the second wave.
- Rely only on yourself.The worst situation is if you stay in the second wave at the bottom of the rating. At any moment, a person with high scores and an original can come in and force you out. The university may not call you. Therefore, call the university yourself, specify how many originals were brought today for the specialties that are indicated in your application.
- Don't be gullible.The commission is interested in not letting you go to another university. Universities hold on to applicants with high scores. And if there is a shortage at the university, then they will hold on to any applicant who brought the original.
Do not forget that the original must be issued to you immediately at your request. Demand it and do not believe in excuses.
Based on the decision of the Admissions Committee of the HSE Lyceum dated December 20, 2018:
1. The minimum passing scores for the subjects of the complex test have been established:
Russian language - 4 points;
Mathematics - 4 points;
Foreign language - 4 points;
Advanced mathematics - 10 points;
Sociocultural awareness - 10 points;
Biology - 10 points.
2. Passing scores have been established in the following areas:
Economics and mathematics - 36 points;
Psychology - 29 points;
Design - 32 points.
3. Approved the list of applicants recommended for enrollment as part of additional recruitment for vacant places in the 10th grade of the HSE Lyceum
4. Enrollment Information
At the meeting, you will be able to receive a certificate confirming that you are recommended for enrollment for submission to your educational institution.
Until 12/25/2018 until 3:00 p.m. personal account https://asav.hse.ru/lyceum.html#signin it is necessary to select a curriculum.
To enroll in the Lyceum, you must submit documents according to the list (see at the bottom of the page) at the address: B. Kharitonevsky lane, house 4, building 1., room. 207. We kindly request you to provide a full package of documents.
All applications and consents can only be completed by legal representatives.
To the question What does “lists recommended for enrollment” mean at the university? Does this mean that you will definitely pass or not? given by the author Calculate the best answer is Copied for you:
"About the rating lists and the list recommended for enrollment"
How are the rating lists and the list of those recommended for enrollment formed, and why do so many questions arise?
It is well known that after the end of the acceptance of documents from applicants, the university proceeds to the formation of rating lists, with the subsequent allocation of a list of persons recommended for enrollment in them. The legal basis for such work is the order of the Ministry of Education and Science, which states in a separate paragraph that on July 30, the official website of the university and the information stand of the admissions committee will post information about persons “who have successfully passed entrance examinations, ranked in descending order of the number of points scored (with their indication) with highlighting in them lists of persons recommended by the selection committee for enrollment in each area of training (specialty) ". Everything seemed to be simple and clear. However, this is not quite true.
Take, for example, such an important point as the number of applicants included in the list recommended for enrollment. Should it correspond to the number of remaining budget places that are being recruited? Rosobnadzor says yes. However, in practice, you may encounter a situation where the list of those recommended for enrollment includes ALL applicants who have applied for the relevant specialty. And to the question to the selection committee, how is this possible, either you don’t get an answer at all, or you get lost in conjecture after that slurred explanation that is given.
Let's see another example. Here is a list of recommended ones. What does it mean, and is the inclusion in it an unequivocal guarantee of enrollment (if the applicant, of course, submitted the original documents on time) or are there options here too? Unfortunately, not everything is completely clear with this issue either, since there is no clear legal formulation of the very term "recommended for enrollment." As a result, some universities inform applicants about the relevant guarantees, and thus instill in them a certain confidence in the future, while others do nothing of the kind. Therefore, applicants often have to call almost every university where documents are submitted in order to clarify this issue. But is the oral answer of the nameless interlocutor on the other end of the tube true in the last resort, that is the question.
However, vague, is another important point. We are talking about maintaining the invariance of the initial list of persons recommended for enrollment. And really, how permanent should this list be, and can new candidates be added to it in the interval, for example, between waves of admission? It is also unlikely that it will be possible to get an intelligible answer to this topic, because again, this issue is interpreted by universities in different ways, and regardless of everything, each of them believes that it is their point of view that is fully consistent with the current legal norms. Well, what can I say about this - miracles, and nothing more. All universities seem to be in the same legal field, but only each of them understands it in its own way. And applicants suffer from all this, who cannot adapt to the ambiguous rules of the game associated with entering a university.
The short conclusion from all of the above is to be prepared for anything. It is necessary to focus not only on the list recommended for enrollment, but also on the admission plan established for a particular specialty. It is this combination that will avoid many problems.
The civic network "Opora" provides answers to typical questions about enrolling applicants in higher educational institutions.
July 31 - the last day for accepting documents from applicants wishing to receive the educational qualification level "bachelor". And already on August 1, the selection committees will publish the first lists of applicants recommended for enrollment. Those who occupied high positions in the rating lists are recommended to be enrolled in places of state order already in the first wave. Those in which the scores are slightly worse have to be patient. The main thing at this stage is to be well versed in the procedures for publishing rating lists, the stages of enrollment and the deadlines for submitting original documents.
This is a list of all applicants participating in the competitive selection for a specific area of study, formed in accordance with the rating score of applicants - from the highest to the smallest. The ranking list lists applicants who selection committee the university recommends taking it to the places of the state order.
- surname, name and patronymic of the applicant;
- competitive score;
- availability of grounds for admission out of competition;
- availability of grounds for admission based on the results of the interview with a mark on the results of the interview;
- the right to priority enrollment.
- applicants who have the right to enroll out of competition (within the quota);
- applicants recommended for enrollment based on the results of the interview;
- participants of international olympiads;
- applicants who are enrolled by competition (general competition).
The rating list does not include applicants recommended for enrollment in places of targeted admission. For them, a separate rating list is created, which is formed according to the competitive score - from highest to lowest.
The selection committee decides to recommend for enrollment in the state order places in three stages: on the first, fifth and eighth days after last day accepting applications. Therefore, the first rating list of applicants with an indication of those recommended for enrollment must be made public before 12:00 on August 1.
If not all applicants recommended for enrollment have submitted original documents within the next four days (before the end of the working day of the admission committee on August 4), the admission committee corrects the list and provides recommendations for enrollment to the next ranked applicants. Adjusted lists will be made public before 12:00 of the next waves of enrollment - on August 5 and 8, respectively.
For example. Applicant Andrey came to the university on August 1 to get acquainted with the rating list. Finding himself in 62nd place, he learned that he was recommended for enrollment, since the volume of the state order for this specialty was 50 places. During August 1-4, out of 50 recommended, only 30 brought original documents, the remaining 20 chose to study at other universities. On the morning of August 5, the admissions committee adjusted the lists and by 12:00 published an updated rating list indicating those recommended for enrollment. Andrey has now risen by 20 positions and is in 42nd place, and therefore there is a note "recommended for enrollment" opposite his name in the rating list. According to it, the original documents should be brought before the end of the working day of the selection committee on July 7. If Andrei does not do this, on the morning of August 8, the admissions committee will cancel the recommendation for admission and Andrei will only be able to be recommended for admission to study at the expense of legal entities or individuals.
5. Where can I find the lists of those recommended for enrollment?
Rating lists published in any other way (including on the website www.vstup.info (IS "Konkurs") and on other information websites) are not official.
If the applicant was recommended in the first wave of enrollment (August 1), the original documents must be brought before the end of the working day of the selection committee on August 4, if in the second (August 5) or third wave (August 8) - before the end of the working day of the admission committee on August 7 and 10 respectively.
7. If I was recommended for enrollment for funds state budget to a certain university in the first wave and I submitted the original documents there or do I take part in the competitive selection in the other universities where I submitted the documents?
So, you take part in the competitive selection in other universities where you applied for admission.
8. If I am recommended for enrollment in the first wave and I submit the originals, and later I am recommended for enrollment in the second wave at a higher priority university for me, will I be able to pick up the original documents from the first university?
So, the applicant has the right to pick up the original documents and submit them to another higher educational institution. The issue of returning the original documents of the admissions committee should be considered on the day the applicant submits a written application. Any objections of representatives of the university about the issuance of original documents are illegal and can be challenged. However, from August 11 (after the order for enrollment), the procedure for returning the originals by the university will take longer, because the originals will be given to the applicant only after the order for his expulsion.
9. If I don't pass on public places in one of the three waves, then they will offer me to study at the expense of individuals or legal entities (contract)?
So, in the selection committees, such applicants are offered training at the expense of individuals or legal entities. The list of individuals or legal entities recommended for enrollment at the expense of funds is formed according to the rating after the applicants fulfill all the requirements for enrollment in education under the state order, i.e. from August 11, within the licensed volume.
10. When is the enrollment of applicants?
Enrollment (acceptance by the head of the university of the corresponding order) of applicants on the basis of basic and complete general secondary education daily form training takes place: according to the state order - until August 11, at the expense of individuals or legal entities - after enrolling in the places of the state order of the corresponding direction (specialty), but no later than August 25.
11. What does out-of-competition enrollment mean?
Individual applicants are eligible for out-of-competition admission. For such applicants, each university allocates a certain number of places from the state order, which, according to the Admission Conditions, should not exceed 25% of the state order for each direction.
For example, for the direction of training "journalism" the volume of the state order is 40 places. The university has set a quota for out-of-competition enrollment of 25%. In accordance with 40 budget places for out-of-competition students, 10 were allocated. Among the applicants who submitted documents, there are 25 people who are eligible for out-of-competition admission. A competition is formed between these persons in accordance with their rating points, and only 10 of them will be recommended for enrollment. After these applicants fulfill the requirements for enrollment, the remaining 15 applicants will participate in the competition on a general basis.
12. What does priority enrollment mean?
The right to priority enrollment is the right of an applicant to occupy the highest position in the rating list with the same competitive score as other applicants.
For example, applicants Irina and Oleg have an equal competitive score - 770.3. However, Oleg graduated from school with a gold medal, but Irina did not. Therefore, Oleg will be one position higher in the rating list of applicants than Irina, because he has the right to priority admission.
Applicants Oksana and Sergey have an equal competitive score - 770.3. Sergei graduated from school with a gold medal, and Oksana is a disabled person of group III. Both applicants are eligible for first-time admission, however, given the order specified in clause 14.1 of the Terms of Admission, Oksana will be one position higher in the rating list.
Universities that operate on a commercial basis and do not have a state order will publish the lists recommended for enrollment on August 1. The deadlines for fulfilling the conditions for enrollment at the expense of legal entities or individuals are set by the admission committee of the university, but no later than August 25.
Admissions committees will work on August 4 and 5, however, we advise you to clarify the time of the end of the working day in a specific educational institution(or on the official web portal of the university).
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July 31 - Universities begin publishing orders for the admission of applicants who enter without entrance examinations (winners and prize-winners of the Olympiads), according to the target set, out of competition, and also place competitive lists ranked by the amount of points scored, with the list of persons recommended for enrollment highlighted in them in the first wave. What should you pay attention to?
First of all, on the number of remaining vacancies. To do this, you need to take the recruitment plan and subtract from it the number of enrolled Olympiads, target students and out-of-competitors, which are included in the corresponding orders.
It should also be taken into account that the procedure for admission to universities provides for the allocation in the general competitive list of a separate list of persons recommended for enrollment. It can be made in color, font or otherwise. If this is not the case, please clarify this issue with the selection committee.
Please read the university website carefully. It is possible that you will find a mention of guarantees for those recommended for enrollment there.
Please note that even getting into the guaranteed lists of recommended and timely submission of originals does not mean further enrollment in a particular specialty, because. recruitment can be carried out on enlarged areas of training. Further redistribution within them must be finally recorded in the enrollment order, and any deviations in this part are illegal.
Remember that many universities try to recruit applicants as quickly as possible, and therefore the presence of originals in the applicant's personal file can facilitate enrollment. Although, to a greater extent, this is an exception, not a well-established practice.
It is also important to understand that those recommended for enrollment are required to bring the original documents no later than August 4th. Otherwise, they are out of the competition.
At the same time, the withdrawal of an applicant from the competition in one area of training does not mean his automatic exclusion from all other areas where he was not recommended. Moreover, this does not apply to other universities, where he could also apply.